This Episode:
In the latest episode of our podcast, we delve deep into the fascinating world of voice acting with the incredible Aaron Bradley, a seasoned voiceover artist with over 25 years of experience. If you’ve ever wondered how to navigate the freelance voiceover industry, this episode is a must-listen.
“The market will never find you unless you’re spreading your wings to try and get into it.”
Aaron Bradley
Aaron shares his journey, starting from his early days in broadcasting to becoming a prominent figure in voiceover for TV affiliates, commercials, and video games. He emphasizes the importance of building a home studio, a crucial step for any aspiring voice actor. The conversation also touches on the challenges introverts face in a field that often requires putting oneself out there, making this episode particularly relatable for those who identify as introverts.
One of the highlights of the episode is Aaron’s insights into the TV affiliate market. Did you know that you can actually reach out to local TV stations directly to pitch your voice? This is a game-changer for many aspiring voice actors who might think they need to live in major cities like LA or New York to succeed. Aaron explains that the landscape has shifted significantly, especially post-COVID, allowing more voice actors to work from home and still connect with clients across the country.
Throughout the episode, Aaron provides valuable tips on marketing oneself as a voice actor. He discusses the importance of having a demo that showcases your unique voice and style, as well as the significance of networking, especially on platforms like LinkedIn.
Aaron also shares his thoughts on the evolving nature of voiceover work, particularly in relation to streaming services and how they have opened up new opportunities for voice actors. He believes that local news will always have a place in the market, providing a steady demand for voice talent.
Whether you’re an experienced voice actor or just starting out, this episode is packed with insights and practical advice that can help you on your journey. So, put on your headphones, hit play, and join us as we explore the world of voice acting with Aaron Bradley. You won’t want to miss it!
Transcript:
Inside Voice podcast features hosts, friends and voice actors Louise Porter and Brad Grochowski
Louise Porter: Welcome to Inside Voice. Join hosts, friends and voice actors Louise Porter. That’s me. And Brad Grochowski.
Brad Grochowski: Hey, that’s me.
Louise Porter: As we navigate the freelance voiceover worldld while simultaneously being introverts, we ponder the question, how do you put yourself out there when literally the last thing you want to do is put yourself out there? Find out what earth chattering conclusions, if any, we come to on this week’s edition of Inside Voice. Hey, Brad.
Brad Grochowski: Hey, Louise. How are you doing?
Louise Porter: How’s it going? Pretty good. How are you?
Brad Grochowski: Oh, I’m glad to be back chatting with you on the Inside voice podcast.
Louise Porter: Season two, episode two.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah. Which is our 12th episode altogether.
Louise Porter: Okay.
Brad Grochowski: yeah. And if you want to find out more, we’re@theinsidevoicepodcast.com and if you want to reach out to us, you can email us at connect at the insidevoicepodcast.com.
Louise Porter: Yes, yes, yes. And go ahead.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, go ahead.
Inside Voice welcomes guest Aaron Bradley from Southern California
Louise Porter: Well, I was going toa say we’re so excited because today we have a guest on the show. We have the amazing Aaron Bradley, who’s joining us from Southern California. Yay. Erin has been in the voiceover industry for the better part of 25 years, beginning in broadcasting and network news, and has a very impressive resume. You’ve heard Aaron on TV and radio stations in commercial commercials, narration, elearning and gaming. Aaron is an industry specialist and has voiced promos for prolific organizations such as Fox Chicago CBs, Cincinnati Fox, Denver CBs, Detroit CBs, network, CNN, Discovery Channel, the History Channel, HBO documentaries, ABC’s 2020 and many more TV affiliates across America. You might also know him from such video games as Final Fantasy 15, Assassin’s Creed, the Fate of Atlantis, Grand Theft Auto 5, Resident Evil 2, Amnesia, A Machine for Pigs, Mafia 2, Call of Modern Warfare 2. AARN is also a very well respected voiceover coach and he reached out to us a couple of weeks ago via email and we are pleased as punch that he did. He said he’s been listening to the podcast a while on the treadmill, which makes us pretty much workout buddies, which would be true, except only one out of three of us, are for sure, for sure, for sure. Working out. Welcome to Inside Voice. Aaron Bradley.
Aaron Bradley: Well, thank you. What a big introduction. Yeah, thank you guys. I had to look at Brad’s mustache. Say it’s an honor to be here. I love it.
Brad Grochowski: I gotta say, the only contention I have with your intro, which is beautiful, Louise, and exhaustive, I think, is I think we get credit like we lose a third of the calories each with around the treadmill.
Louise Porter: Oh for sure some kind of osmosis or something is going on there. For sure. Yeah, yeah.
Brad Grochowski: It’s awesome to have you, Aaron. I love your last name by the way. But I guess I’m.
Aaron Bradley: Thank you guys. Yeah’m to be here.
Louise Porter: Bradley.
Aaron Bradley: Thank you. Yes.
Louise Porter: Thank you Louise for getting where going with IDT any. I feel like that was a really small snippet but I had to get some kind of intro in quickly. But thank you for taking that on.
Brad Grochowski: Luise because I had looked at Aaron I’LOOKED at your about information on your website and I’m like oh my God. How are we gonna summarize?
Louise Porter: How are we gonna summarize this?
Brad Grochowski: Because it’s amazing. It’s huge. Yeah.
Louise Porter: And also so I wasnna say it’s a small snippet.
Brad Miller’s career started in broadcasting and has since expanded into television news
So why don’t, now that you’re here, why don’t you tell us a bit more about yourself and how you got started and all that fun stuff in five seconds or less. Go. Just kidding. Go.
Aaron Bradley: We’re live. No, it all started in broadcasting. I had just been interested in broadcasting for years and my dad was working in the news business. I kind of grew up in that business and just had been interested in it forever. And started working in radio, in the east coast in Philly, not too far from you Brad. And worked in radio and then started tinkering with just voice over which at the time was PSAs for the radio station and cardting different spots. And everybody said wow, man, you really have a real talent for that. But I had wanted to pursue television broadcasting and when I got out of radio I interned and, and got a demo, which is a video demo for TV news. And sent it out and worked in broadcasting all around the country, various markets like Philly and Miami. And then kind of just realized this voice thing is still, you know, continuing to grow as I’m on air in broadcasting, doing work on the pay to plays primarily while working in TV news and setting up a home studio. Everywhere I lived I had a home voiceover studio and continued to kind of grow that. And then the clients got large enough where I said, you know what? My dream was always to kind of go out to the west coast, be on the west Coast. I have a lot of family, a lot of friends out here, and just relocate and pursue voiceover at a much higher level. And made the move in 2010 to Los Angeles and enjoyed every little bit of it and never looked back. And since that time I’ve really grown my voice over business primarily into television news affiliate, which is a good fit for my background and works out really well and just do that really the bulk of the day. And then the other stuff that comes in is sort of like filler. Filler work that you do in between your primary gig, if you wanna call it that. So that’s kind of the long and short of it. Not five seconds though.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah.
In your bio, it says you started in theater and first grade
So I do have one question. in doing my deep research into your background, in AKA reading your bio on your website, it said you had started in theater and first grade. And that’s pretty.
Aaron Bradley: That’s true. That’s very good. Yeah. yeah, ah, I did actually start in theater. We started in school theater. Then it was community theater, from there and some regional productions. That was Mr. Darling, which is the father in Peter Pan.
Brad Grochowski: Peter Pan, sure.
Aaron Bradley: So played that played to Mr. Darling and certain roles all throughout the Philadelphia area. Growing up in Bucks county outside of Philly and doing a lot of the theater in just kind of school and regional and community theater. But yeah, that’s.
Louise Porter: I got so much more impressive than my stage debut in grade four, which was. I got the part. It was like a chorus part where I played the part of Dancing Laundry. I was just like a pile of. I was just a pile of laundry with a bunch of other people that came to life and danced and yeah, yours is a way better story.
Brad Grochowski: So when I was in second grade, Betsy Porter, no relation to Louise, I’m.
Louise Porter: Sure I can confirm that she wanted.
Brad Grochowski: To do just in the classroom, just a little like she had the Midas, you know, King Midas and the Golden Touch, whatever. And she wanted to do a play of it and she asked me to be the king and I was so like from complet. Complete surprise casting. I had no idea. right. so we did that little play in the class. So that was in second grade. So I don’t go back to first grade. And that was it for me until college. So I think you got it.
Louise Porter: Oh, wow. Okay, interesting.
Brad Grochowski: but I just want to ask, sort of the follow up to my ah, story that I’m sure has impressed to everybody about my second grade performance. Are you still friends, Facebook friends or whatnot with the director of your first show when you were in first grade? Because I. I’m still Facebook friends with Betsy Porter.
Louise Porter: Are you really amazing.
Aaron Bradley: Oh, it’s sad. I lost contact with anybody before high school. I think. high school friends. Yes.
Louise Porter: But, yeah, Aaron, you’re like me. I lost touch with pretty much every. But I’m only in touch with a few people from high school, my partner being one of them. But yeah.
Aaron Bradley: Oh, Brad and you went to high school together?
Louise Porter: No, my actual. My partner that I live with.
Aaron Bradley: Like my O. I misunderstood.
Louise Porter: Okay. My significant other.
Aaron Bradley: You re significant. Your high school sweetheart.
Louise Porter: Right. Brad is my insignificant other.
Aaron Bradley: O.
Brad Grochowski: No significance.
Louise Porter: You have no significance whatsoever.
Brad Grochowski: But I do so m. You lived in the Philly area, so, you know, close to the east coast area and whatnot. Because I’ll confess, before I really got into voiceover, my impression was if you wanted to do voiceover, you had to live in LA or you had to live in New York. It wasn’t until I really started digging into it and doing some research and listening to podcasts that I came to understand that you could build a nice career for yourself living anywhere nowadays. But do you.
What would be the impact of moving to la to. Um, so I’m curious
Ah, the other side of that is I think you do have, I suspect, I should say I suspect you have access to, a whole different type of market when you’re actually living on the ground in la. so I’m just curious how you feel the difference to actually living there and how that might benefit someone like in this day and age, someone like myself or any of our number of listeners who don’t live in la. What would be the impact of moving to la to.
Aaron Bradley: Well, yeah, there’s not a whole lot now. Before COVID it was a whole different ballame because people were still going into studios primarily for video game. video game was always done in studio. Cause there’s a lot of. It’s sort of a group of people and there’s in person. Yeah, there’s in person direction. So they’re directing everybody collectively and everybody’s kind of doing their reads. And that was all in studio. But, I’ve gotten out of it since. But, the home studio now is most everything, and it can be done, like you say, from anywhere. So there’s really not. Especially for TV affiliate, there’s really no benefit of being in Southern California, Los Angeles for the work, that I’m doing now. So.
TV affiliates hire voice actors to do promos and news stories
Louise Porter: And so for anybody who’s listening, can you just, in layman’s terms, explain what it is to be a voice actor who does a lot of TV? What is TV affiliate?
Aaron Bradley: Monday at 11. The shocking stories unveiled there. That’s you or we’ll do or’ll say why was cancer spreading in this neighborhood? Or all that stuff is the prom that you hear on the news. So you hear these promos Monday at 11, the shocking stories unveiled or this is CB’s 3 news at 11. O you all that stuff that you hear is TV news affiliates. So they’re an affiliate of the network. So you have four big networks. You’ve got NBC, CBs, ABC and Fox. And then every city. There’s 213 different cities throughout the country, including our U.S. territories that have affiliates of the network and they broadcast the network locally. And all of them hire TV news voice over people like myself to do all the news promos. And that’s kind of the bulk of what TV affiliate is in a nutshell.
Louise Porter: That’s amazing. That’s so a lot of that. It’s quite a volume heavy thing if you’ve got a lot of them going. And is that part of the reason why you’re kind of like you were a little bit on call, were saying in your email that it’s your time is a little bit tied up during the day. Is that kind of how that works?
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, you’re on call. It’s very interesting because news is ever evolving. So for commercial you’re not so much on call. I do some political work as well, you know, advertising political candidates and you’re kind of on call for that somewhat. But TV news or news in general is always evolving. It’sing breaking stories and you’you don’t have to be sitting in your booth the whole eight hours, but you just have to be available, if they’re sending you and you’re on call and they’re know when you have the amount of affiliates that I have, you’re getting work pretty much regularly throughout the day and you’re turning it know, turning it around an hour and a half and at max somewhere around there. and then it’s just, you know, right in your studio. It’s never live directed and you just kind of send it over and then they add the production and the video and it airs on the news sometimes the same day within hours of you voicing it.
Louise Porter: Right. Interesting.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, it is interesting.
Brad Grochowski: how does that I’listene to. I’ve heard promo people interviewed on other podcasts and whatnot. they always talk about it sounds to me like a very particular type genre of voiceover because it’s sort of, you kind of have to build your lifestyle around it, it seems like if you’re going on vacation, if you don’t wanna lose your gig, you kind of gotta take your gig with you.
Aaron Bradley: Right? That’s interesting. Yeah. I teach TV affiliate and radio imaging. So I teach imaging, which is tv, TV affiliate and I teach radio imaging. And that’s a question that students always, always ask me is how do I go to the doctor, how do I go on vacation? And you’re under contract. So you do get, it’s a one year contract. And you’re the voice for the period of a year. And in that contract you are allocated three weeks vacation. So you do get vacation time. And m. They usually. What I have is a backup voice talent for when I’m gone or if I’m sick or I lose my voice or you. I’m on vacation and then if you have to go to a doctor or something, you just kind of let them know and there’s no big deal. But vacations, yeah, you. You’re entitled to it through the contract. So you don’t have to worry about taking your gear with you, especially for TV affiliate. Some people will do it and I used to do it and drag all this gear in the suitcase. And then you’re kind of struggling when you get to the hotel to find a good place to record and it’s never quiet enough. So I just, I revert to a backup talent when I’m gone and. And then it all works out. So.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, that’s great. And then you’re handing down. You know what I mean, you’re helping another artist in their career too. It seems that.
Aaron Bradley: Absolutely. That’s cooleah.
Louise Porter: The backup being, what do you call it, like an understudy in theater.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah. The backup was a student. The backup was a student of mine and I kind of brought him into it, as the backup. And he was just a student that trained under me and we sent his demos out to the affiliates, that I voiced and he got bites and they liked him and I said, you know, don’t take my gig, but you can hit him backup.
Louise Porter: That’s all. Some of the dangers of coaching is people taking over your business. Yeah. Yeah. And so go.
Brad Grochowski: Oh good.
Louise Porter: No, I was going to say when you first started, you must have been.
A lot of what you do through representation is through representation
Well, you did mention P2P’s but I assume a lot of what you would book through, in promo and stuff like that would be through representation. And the view landscape has changed so much in the past couple of decades. Has that changed how you do business? Like is a lot of what you do through representation. Are you sourcing independently now?
Aaron Bradley: Yeah. So it’s interesting, and students ask me this all the time, is what’s the difference between promo and what’s the difference between television, affiliate and the difference? The main difference is you can get TV affiliate on your own. There’s an email database of all the hiring managers at all the TV stations. They hire locally, they hire within the affiliate and you can get hired just by emailing your demo to the television station.
Louise Porter: I had no idea.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, and that’s s crazy. Built my business.
Louise Porter: I just learned something. I wonder if it’s the same in Canada. It probably is.
Aaron Bradley: It is for the local. Yeaheah. there’s a few voices up there that do the networks, you know, the CTV and all that. but the local affiliates are hiring locally and if you pick up and you can do the same for radio, you can email the radio stations locally. If you pick up a few radio stations and you pick up a few TV stations on your own, then you can go to the agents, you know, the bigger agents, and say, hey, I’ve got clients that are at least their affiliates. They’re broadcasting affiliates. And then if the agent does agree to rep you, they will then send you auditions for promo work, network promos, and then other network commercials and stuff at a bigger level once you get the agent representation. But the bulk of this affiliate imaging, we call it, is done just by the voice talent sending the demo out to the hiring manager and is pretty interesting.
Louise Porter: I guess it’s mainly non union then. Is that right?
Aaron Bradley: It’s all non union. Every bit of it is no union. Yeah, some of the network promo are union. More and more. That is union.
Louise Porter: Yeah.
Aaron Bradley: But just the TV affiliate stuff is you just do it from your home studio whenever you do it in an hour and a half, two hours, do your marketing in the afternoons. You can, you target stations, on your own and you know, just make sure you do a good job and turn it around and the amount of time that they allocate for you and you’re good to go.
Louise Porter: I am.
Aaron Bradley: It’s not as complicated as people think. Yeah, the promo is all sour. A lot of that source connect and that’s sessions now.
Louise Porter: Right, Right.
How do you get that conversational read that doesn’t sound performed
Brad Grochowski: I have a question about performance actually. and I’m not asking you to give away your coaching for free, but just to get some idea. I’m very fascinated by this as an actor. So obviously in General, we as voice actors put so much time and effort and coaching and training into that conversational read that sounds natural, that doesn’t sound performed. But clearly promo stuff is a very different animal. Right. And so how do you get that, and I’m not asking you to sort of like coach me through it, but just generally how do you come to that promo style without sounding like you’re just affecting a promo style or doing it how you think the promo style should sound? Because it’s still connected, right. It’s still true and it’s still coming from a place. and I guess the answer to that is probably coaching. But ah.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: I don’t know if you had any thoughts on that, you know, as far as.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, and it’s practice. Practice is the long and short of the answer. But the beauty of TV affiliate is that there’s different styles. There’s what we call these feel good pieces. You know, the team you can trust working every single step of the way for you and your family or whatever it is. You know, the team.
Louise Porter: Brad, you would be good at that one.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah. And that’s that softer feel good style. And we do that a lot in TV affiliates. So you know, it’s not just all that one promo. And promo now is going more for especially in a network promo. TV affiliate is still a little more serious because it is news, it’s news oriented. But network promo now they’re going for just more of a real, real sound in a lot of the promos. TV affiliate is still a little bit more news oriented and authoritative. But we do those feel good promos. Several of them, you know, a week. And it’s just know the practice, you know, coaching, practicing and learning the different vocal ranges. We use three vocal ranges in TV affiliate. We have a brighter, you know, which is our brighter vocal range higher. Then we do our mid range which is that feel good promo. That’s that feel good sound. And then the deeper, which is more the investigative. And you.
Aaron Bradley: Why was cancer spreading and all that. That’s the deeper vocal range. So we use all three of the vocal ranges in TV affiliate and it’s just practicing and that’s what I post with students. The vocal ranges. Coaching on every one of those vocal ranges to get good at it that I have.
Brad Grochowski: So cool. ye. That’s super interesting. And I have to think that like even just exploring those three vocal ranges would be helpful to anybody doing even commercial or even audiobook. I know you approach them with different so just A, thought to anybody who’s considering coaching. I can imagine that being super beneficial. Even if you’re not focusing specifically on promoh.
Louise Porter: Yeah, absolutely. I was gonna say that that would bleed into a lot of facets of voiceover. Even if you were specifically coaching for affiliate. I feel like learning how to use your voice is. She’s croaking.
Brad Grochowski: Conveniently. Aaron Bradley does coaching. So, you know, if you’re. Apparently that piques your interest.
Louise Porter: So.
How has the TV affiliate and promo landscape changed with streaming services
And Erin, how has the TV affiliate and promo landscape changed with streaming services and maybe fewer people watching network television?
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, it’s created more opportunity in obviously network promo, especially if you have your cable box and there’s 300 stations on your cable box, and now you have all these streaming platforms that are also available, on smart tvs. It. It’s created so much more opportunity in network promo. TV affiliate is pretty solid. Those affiliates, they started in World War II to cover the war right. In the invent of television. And that’s when these TV stations started really popping up, to cover World War II. And then in the early 50s, and then color TV came along. But those stations have been there 70 years, you know, over 70 years, the TV affiliates, and they’re not going anywhere. They’re gonna obviously continue to be there. And people will always watch local news. You know, that’s. You can’t get from a streaming service. You know, what’s going on at your Cub Scout or Boy Scout meeting or your murder down the street, or your boss being investigated for embezzling or any of these stories. You have to. It’s all local news. And those stations, I say they’ve been there since World War II and, they’re not going anywhere. Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah. I wish that had been true of local radio.
Aaron Bradley: But, yeah, radio will still always be there. It’s just the dj, has been automated in many markets. Y. But the radio stations will always be there. Absolutely.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, that’s right. But, their ability to cover local news and local events has diminished.
Louise Porter: Weller buddy, Michael Kismman. I know, does, He’s a Canadian, voice actor friend of ours, Aaron, and he does a ton of radio imaging. Wow, that’s like. I know a big part of his business too. Hey, Brad.
Brad Grochowski: M h. I wanna do radio imaging for, Spanish radio stations. Latino, they’re crazy.
Aaron Bradley: I them, they get wild.
Louise Porter: Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: Every time. I love listening to the, Baltimore, Spanish Latino radio station. Just because it’s so cool and you feel like you’re, like, trapped in a, Maniacal pinball machine that’s screaming at you in Spanish. It’s just so fun.
Louise Porter: And so I’ve never heard this in Canada.
Brad Grochowski: We’ve. Yeah, I guess you’d have friends.
Louise Porter: I haven’t come across really any.
Aaron Bradley: But yeah, yeah, they get wild. And radio imaging is so different than TV affiliate. So all this is imaging. But know radio imaging, they’re going for this more kind of humorous. They do a lot of humor in it now. You know the hottest music live and then they’ll go into, they’ll say something funny and then they’ll say the station your mom and dad didn’t want you to listen to. And it’s that kind of humor that they add to radio imaging now and you hear it all the time and radio imaging demos. But yeah, it’s totally different. It’s usually a bigger. For men, it’s usually a bigger voice that is airing now in radio imaging. But yeah, TV affiliate is it’s just a whole different ballgame because you’re doing a feel good piece that’s warm and cozy and friendly and then the next promo is a murder in the neighborhood and these mystery promos and investigative promos. So a lot of different.
Gott to be versatile. You have to be extremely versatile in imaging
Louise Porter: Gott to be versatile.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah.
Louise Porter: Ah yeah.
Aaron Bradley: Oh yeah. You gotta be real. That’s the right word. It. You have to be extremely versatile in imaging. Extremely versatile, absolutely.
In radio imaging, women are doing tons of radio imaging
Louise Porter: And how since you mentioned what’s sort of required of men in certain niches, what’s the split like for sort of demand between men and women in TV affiliate and, and I guess.
Aaron Bradley: In radio imaging, Radio imaging has a lot of females. Radio imaging is I’d say probably at least 50, 50 maybe, you know, maybe 60, 40 with men. But women are doing tons of radio imaging. TV affiliate has always traditionally been because it’s broadcast news. And the days of these big, these anchors and the early days of television was always that white male voice. But now, in the last 10 to 15 years it’s really changed. It’s no longer that white mal voice we’re heAarong. You know, I have students that were hired that went through the class, that are African American and they’re voicing stations now all throughout different markets in the country just because the station wanted a different sound, females. I had tons of female students in, they’re voicing stations now that are all around the country that are just. It’s a different voice that the station has. They may still have a male voice but they hire a female to also work with that Male voice and they do certain. Maybe the female might do the morning show promos, and then the male might do the evening promos or vice versa. but, yeah, it’s about 50. 50, right? O. Yeah, there’s really a really.
Louise Porter: I’m not trying thought that. So it’s really good to know. I was telling Brad’s this year. I’ve just been thinking I’d really like to take a crack at radio imaging. It feels like it would be so much fun. And now, of course, now you’re talking about this TV affiliate stuff. I’m like, you’ve done.
Brad Grochowski: Louise, you’ve done some radio imaging though, right?
Louise Porter: Only a little bit. I did a little bit for, I think, a university station in Texas. and something else with Troy, I think, that he was doing, and he got me to voice on, but I haven’t really.
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Louise Porter: What. What did you say aboutoy?
Brad Grochowski: I said. I said, who has five podcasts of his own at this point? I think, yeah, maybe he’s back down to one. I don’t know. He was,
Do you know whether you’re an introvert or extrovert
Louise Porter: so we were gonna ask about. Since we are and you’ve heard the podcast where. Where we do talk about, like, introversion, extroversion, all that stuff. So. So do you know whether you’re an introvert or extrovert? Do you have, like, a answer to that burning question?
Aaron Bradley: I think as I’ve gotten older, you know, as you become older, do everybody sort of becomes a little more introverted as you get older? But I was always an extrovert growing up. And then, you know, but, as you’certainly working from home know.
Brad Grochowski: Right.
Aaron Bradley: You do become an introvert to some extent. But, also, I think as you.
Brad Grochowski: Get older, you just get tired of others.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, exactly. You get tired of the B’s, and, you revert to the introvert. yeah, no, I always was an extrovert, but, yeah, just as you get older, you become less extroverted, obviously.
Louise Porter: Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. I think I’ve become more introverted as I’ve gotten older. Ah, for sure.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, I definitely have. But then I. For a long time, well into my 30s, I didn’t. I didn’t, And this is something I’ve talked about, but I didn’t understand that I was an introvert and I was doing all of this work to be an extrovert. And then when, it finally occurred to me that real extroverts don’t have to do all that work to be an extrovert.
Louise Porter: Yeah, we have talked about this. Caus. I’m the same where. Because I used to be a bit more extroverted, but then I realized I was doing it to, Because I thought I had to be or something, but it’s exhausting.
Brad Grochowski: Yeahe there. Yeah. I’m like, wait, actual extroverts, they get energy from this instead of having to exhaust themselves trying to be this thing. And it was very liberating once I realized that and started to learn how to take care of myself and, make adjustments to account for that.
Aaron Bradley: And neither of you are total extroverts any longer. I mean, it’s evolved, right?
Louise Porter: You mean we’re not total introverts?
Aaron Bradley: Neither of you are true introverts any longer, right? You’ve evolved where you’re not. You could speak in front of a crowd if you had to.
Brad Grochowski: Oh yeah. And we’re both actorse so, I think, Louis, I think you’d agree with me. We both have a toolbox of things that we can reach in and grab to help us.
Louise Porter: Yeah, for sure. It’s weird for me though, because even though I’ve done tons of theater, I have horrible stage fright. And public speaking I used to do in, middle school, actually got some awards for doing it, but I’d always get really nervous. And even now speaking in front of a crowd is terrifying to me. So I don’t know how many tools I really have that have ever worked very well. Like, I’m fine one on one or just with a small group of people that I know. But as soon as it sort of gets beyond that, I’m like, yeah, it is extremely challenging.
Brad Grochowski: I guess when I’m speaking to a group or even performing, I approach it as a one on one. Like, I don’t.
Louise Porter: That’s really philosophical, Brad.
Brad Grochowski: Well, I mean, I try, like I don’t even try and pretend. I just sort of approach it as if there’s the one person in the audience that really needs this information and I’m the person that has it, so I’m happy to share it with them. I don’t know. That’s kind of how I manage that.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, it was funny working in TV news. Everybody would think because you’re on camera, you’re a phenomenal, just comfort level speaking in front of large groups and when they actually see what you’re doing, it’s just you and the camera in the studio and a couple floor directions. But everybody Would ask, oh, can you speak here? Can you speak here and read to kids here and go to the library and an MC type of thing. And then, it took a while to get used to. And it was always just never make eye contact with the audience.
Louise Porter: Yeah.
Aaron Bradley: Kind of look above the audience.
Louise Porter: Look above the audience. Yeah.
Aaron Bradley: It help?
Louise Porter: Yeah. Or four heads and eyebrows. That was always my trick.
Aaron Bradley: That’s right.
Louise Porter: Yeah. Yeah. So terrifying.
Aaron Bradley: Oh, yeah.
Louise Porter: Awkward pause. Awkward pause.
Brad Grochowski: I’m looking through our like, notes. I mean, do you. So what. Do you. So somebody’s just starting out or maybe they’re already established. I’ll tell you. Often I have other voice over friends say to me, oh, I’d really like to get into promo, or I’d like to get into sports promo or like different niches. And my impression at this point, and as we’re chatting I’m like, oh man. To me it seems like, is that it’s a really hard genre to get into. There’s a, a very finite number and I’m giving my impression of it so that you can, there’s a very finite amount of work. and once somebody is ah, in that role, like you said, you have a year contract, so at best somebody else has a shot at your job in a year. so to me it seems like a really hard genre to get into and a very difficult genre to be involved in for the reasons that we were talking about earlier as far as being on call and sort of having to build your lifestyle around it, even though you’ve already allayed that to some extent, my concern about that.
Local network promo is not the same as TV affiliate
But what do you say to somebody, or what could I say to somebody if they say to me, hey, I’m interested in getting into promo?
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, go ahead.
Brad Grochowski: I mean, should we encourage that or. I mean, you’d probably rather not. So you don’t have competition. But you know what I mean. My impression at this point is, oh, wow, yeah, go for it if you want, but good luck with that. Which probably isn’t in an accurate position.
Aaron Bradley: Well, yeah, and that’s. And to your point, the availability obviously is a little, less strict. If you’re doing promo versus TV affiliate. TV affiliate is you’re sort of waiting and waiting because it is news. But, promo is unless you’re signed as the voice of a network or you’re signed as the voice of a talk show or you’re doing a regular work for a network. in some cases it’s one and dones. You do it and that’s the end of that. Or you’ll do a couple promos and then you’re not gonna get a whole lot more. Or you might be signed on to do it for an extended period of time. But, it’s not a one year contract generally, unless you are the voice of a network or the voice of like a talk show, et cetera. So, you know, it’s not the same as TV affiliate. But to answer your question, to get into it, the great way to start is what is a local network promo? Local network promo is TV affiliate. So a great way to break into network promo is to start local and get your, your chops wet with TV affiliate, really hone your craft and then try to get an agent that will rep you, that will send you those bigger auditions for network promo work. So it’you, know, students always kind of put the cart before the horse. And I was talking to a student last night, actually. Some of these demo producers are like, yeah, you sound great, man. Let’s do a movie trailer demo. Yeah, you got a real great sound for movie trailers. And it’s like they’re starting in voiceover and they have people wanting to do a movie trailer demo. It’s totally the opposite of what you should be.
Louise Porter: Yeah, that’stty backwards.
Brad Grochowski: Ye, yeah, yeah.
Aaron Bradley: Start local and then get an agent, and then the agent can get you bigger auditions to be the voice of a network promo. and people do think that that’s so, prestigious and it’ll pay so much and et cetera. But, now they’re using a lot of peopleuse, there’s so much media that needs voice actors and they’re using lots and lots of people. And their rates have gone way down as to what it was in the 1990s and people back then were making a killing doing promo. But, it’s a, ah, much crowded, much more crowded field right now where I don’t believe TV affiliate is. TV affiliate’not. Anywhere with the amount of voice actors doing it, crowded as promo. Promo has become very, very crowded.
Louise Porter: Interesting.
Aaron Bradley: But go for it. Go for it. Answer your question. Go for it. But start local and then try to get into it that way. Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: And that I think it’s telling that Louise and I both, you know, we’ve done a lot of research. We’spent a lot of time figuring out where and how for what genres. And I don’t think either of us understood that you could get started in promo by looking to get casted by your local affiliate stations. So that suggests to me that that’s kind of a sleeper tactic. Right. It’s not a super well known thing, which means there may be room for somebody to grow into that area.
Aaron Bradley: I love it. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Yep.
Louise Porter: Yeah, that’s very positive.
Brad Grochowski: Just not in la, because you got.
Louise Porter: That sounds like he’s got the whole country bread.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah. Ah, well, there’s always room. Yeah. And that’s the neat thing too. We’re saying 300 television networks, the streaming platforms, there’s like 3,000 local affiliates. 3,000 local affiliates in the United States, 21,000 radio stations in the United States, 21 thousand radio stations, 3,000 TV affiliates. So there’s still way more opportunity in imaging.
Brad Grochowski: That’s crazy.
Aaron Bradley: And there’s less voice actors doing it. by far, especially with the mathematics, of it. The mathematics are in the voice actor’s favor for imaging. and that’s one of the few areas that I believe the mathematics are in our favor. Absolutely.
Louise Porter: So maybe I was onto something. El. That’s crazy.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah. I never thought about it in terms of the numbers. I don’t think I understood the scale.
Aaron Bradley: yeah, it’s a big scale. I mean, we’re talking thousands and thousands of stations out there.
Louise Porter: It’s amazing.
Do you have a favorite genre of voiceover, Erin?
And do you have, do you have like a favorite genre of voiceover, Erin? I mean, I mean, obviously you do a lot of the affiliate promo stuff, but is that actually your favorite thing to do? Like, if you could just do, you know, one genre all the time, what would it be?
Aaron Bradley: Oh, it would be TV affiliate. Absolutely.
Louise Porter: Love would not. Audio’s exactly what you want to do. That’s so awesome.
Brad Grochowski: I wasn say. I was going toa say audio.
Aaron Bradley: Audiobook. Yeah, I’ve done one audio. Diedeah. but no TV affiliate.
Brad Grochowski: Just to dig a little deeper on that. You can’t do any more TV affiliate work. You can t. You just like, not allowed to. And so you have to build your career on a different genre of voiceover. What would you look to?
Aaron Bradley: Promo and then radio imaging.
Brad Grochowski: Okay. All right.
Aaron Bradley: And then outside of that, probably political, would be the other one, the political advertisements for candidates and things like that. And then below that may be commercial. I don’t.
Louise Porter: What do you like about the political sphere? Is it the work itself or the volume of work?
Aaron Bradley: I think it’s both. And it’s also. It fits my voice pretty well for some of those. The bigger, like, negative attack ads and you. Why is Brad the wrong person for the city of Baltimore? Mean. And some of Them have a bigger.
Louise Porter: Voice and use that sound bite that’s right in every a better man.
Aaron Bradley: And it’s always a better man for a better Baltimore. Know, but there’s a certain style that came kind of naturally to me for political as well. And you know, and I think that might be sort of a little lower in the food chain, but I wouldn’t mind doing that either. Yeah, right. Commercials. Commercials are not audio. I’ve done audiobooks and I’ll tell you, I did one and I nearly died. And it just the amount of editing.
Louise Porter: And weh, I’DONE a few. We’re still technically newbies. I mean we’re just wrapping up our sort of fourth year and voice over each. Is that right?
Aaron Bradley: Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: And my. Yeah, my first year as a full time will be, you know, the end of the yeareah. Good for you. It was audiobook summer this year and they just kept coming in and I’m not complaining, I’m happy to have the work but Laur, it’s so much work really.
Louise Porter: But it’s sort of one of those things. I sort of feel like it’s almost like being on a very small albeit retainer because you’ve got sort of that chunk of money to just sort of float the rest of the small things. So it’s not the worst but you.
Brad Grochowski: Know, I mean I know the dollar per amount of work you do is probably. It is the smallest of any genre.
Louise Porter: Also, if you get fd, it’s not terrible either.
Brad Grochowski: yeah. And getting that single gig of $1,300 or $1,500 is pretty nice too.
I’m doing audiobooks because I want to and not because it pays
Aaron Bradley: Oh yeah, definitely. And some of the books are interesting. I mean you actually might enjoy what you’re doing.
Brad Grochowski: Exactly. And I was just going to say it’s not like I enjoy it, I like doing it. It’s just not the most efficient, revenue source. So I don’t know if I’d ever. It would be a luxury for me to reach a point where I’m doing audiobooks because I want to and not because that’s making up some of my needed, you know, revenue base. Yeah, yeah, I look forward to that day.
Louise Porter: It’d be nice to turn them down, wouldn’t it? Although I mean I have turned ones down that we’re just. I’m just, you know, if they’re just, you know what, I’m not gonna get into it.
Brad Grochowski: Let’s just say not all self published books.
Aaron Bradley: Oh my goodness.
Brad Grochowski: We can le it at that.
Aaron Bradley: The only audiobook I did was a friend of mine that I worked with at a TV station years ago, wrote a book and I said, sure, I’ll record your book. And it was a favor and never again. That was fun. Not a fun experience. So. Yeah, but it was a friend, so whatever. Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: And I feel like I have my process down. Like I know. You know what I mean? And it’s as efficient as it can be, and that helps a lot. You know what I mean?
Aaron Bradley: Do you do your own editing? You do all your own, editing? Yeah.
Louise Porter: You love to. I do punch and roll and I think Brad does too. So that speeds things up.
Brad Grochowski: So that makes it a lot easier. You spend a little more time in the booth because you’re basically editing as you go. But when I walk out of the booth with some minor adjustments and tweaks here and there, it. It’s pretty much ready to go. And then I send mine to a, ah, proofer. Louise has a different philosophy on this, but I send it to a proofer and then she’ll send me back. She’s amazing. And she sends me back a whole long spreadsheet of mistakes that I’made and then you spend a couple days doing pickups.
Aaron Bradley: But, wow. Well, hey, you know, it pays the bills. And and you’re behind the mic. That’s the goal of any voice. I mean, anything behind the mic, it.
Louise Porter: Gets you very proficient at punch and roll, at sight reading. Because, you know, a lot of the time you’re not prepping. Like if you were working for Penguin Random House or something, and you’re sitting in one of their studios or a local studio and you have a director, you’re doing a lot of prep work. That’s a lot of what you’re doing. But when you’re working for yourself, like, you’re sight reading a lot, which is, you know, its own skill, so.
Aaron Bradley: Oh yeahah. Yah.
Brad Grochowski: And the upside of it too is, you know, if I do, a commercial read for some, you know, local radio station thing, or I do an explainer video for this or that or e. Learning, no one will ever see that, that I ever meet. But with audiobooks, you can go to audible and punching my name and they all come up, that’s at least something to show for sure.
Aaron Bradley: It’s credits. Absolutely. Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah.
Louise Porter: Agreed.
Aaron Bradley: Awesome stuff. Yeah.
Brad Grochowski: And so that’s what. So we just persuaded you that’s what you would do. In fact, you’re gonna leave, go start.
Louise Porter: On knocking on Penguin Random House’s door. Exclusively in the romance genre.
Aaron Bradley: Never.
Louise Porter: I feel like you should do trailers for romance novels or just do one right now.
Aaron Bradley: Maybe if the time comes, one day’ll take you up on that. But far, so far so good. So yeah, we don’t need to do it m at this point. But never say ever, right?
Louise Porter: Yeah, exactly.
Brad M. says let the market find you rather than you choosing it
And you know what? I did have one fun question because. Or at least I believe it’s a fun question. this came up sort of early on in my sort of voiceover journey, which was the idea of picking niches, which you’ve already answered that question of what your preferences and all that stuff. But, the idea of a niche choosing you rather than you choosing it. Do you think there’s anything to that?
Aaron Bradley: Well, I hear that a lot from certain coaches. know, let the market find you is kind of what I hear. you know, I think it’s a little overrated you for what. For what it means in its entirety. And I’ll explain. let’s say you’re not really spreading your wings as much as you should. M. The market will never find you. So students get into this and they are re green and they’re a little kind of nervous and they don’t really spread the wings you to cover TV affiliate. Cause they don’t know how. They don’t know how to do that stuff. So the market will never find them. So I think it’s a little false. Maybe false, hope if you tell people that and oh, the market will find you. Don’t worry. The market will find you. Well, if you’re not spreading your wings to try to get to TV affiliate or to try to get into imaging or to try to get into political or to try to get into promo or trail or whatever you want to work in, the market will never find you. Ah, I hear a lot of coaches saying that I don’t personally subscribe to the market will find you. I don’t think it happens unless you’re actively really, really, really targeting those things yourself and having some success in each genre. That’s the
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, I also think that. And there’s a danger to this, but I also think that chances of you being good at a particular genre are going to be impacted by how much you enjoy it and how much you want to do it Right. So like, if you really want to do a particular genre because you really like it a lot, it’s going to be much easier for you to practice doing it and putting thought into it and figuring out how to do it. The danger to that is the number of People who come into voiceover and the first thing they want to do is I want to do video games and I want to do animation. Right. And no matter how much you like that, that’s a whole world that you.
Louise Porter: Have to, try and break into. Yeah, yeah. ###n sorry, were you finished saying. Did you have more there, Brad? I feel like I stopomped on your.
Brad Grochowski: Oh, that’s all right. yeah, so I would just. That’s just.
Aaron Bradley: No, you’re right. No, you’re right. You’re 100% right. Absolutely. And it is misleading to, I think a lot of young newbie voice actors, not maybe first year voice actors that are, oh, you know, the market will find you just kind of plant your seed here and there. And if you don’t know how to plant the seed, you’re never gonna find out if the market would have liked.
Brad Grochowski: You or know that you need to plant the seed or how to water the seed.
Aaron Bradley: Exact.
Arion teaches performance demo prep and marketing in his voice over coaching
Louise Porter: So that brings me to my question, which is Arion, in your coaching, is that something you also teach other than the actual technique of the voice over? You actually teach that sort of business side too?
Aaron Bradley: We do, performance demo prep and marketing. Performance, demo prep and marketing. And a large partis spent on marketing and getting work within the genre of imaging. I’ve just did a webinar on it and partnered with another coach out there and we worked on just kind of launching a webinar to reach a larger group of people on marketing, for imaging.
Louise Porter: That’s amazing.
Aaron Bradley: And there are databases that we have and the databases and some people can build them on their own of hiring managers at radio stations and TV stations. One of the ways you go about marketing. LinkedIn marketing is another LinkedIn’s, become a bible for hiring managers. Almost all the hiring managers have a LinkedIn account. that’s another way to go about it. And then the email marketing is the other way. And then knowing what to write in your email template, knowing how to sell yourself, and then, really knowing, I think how to stay top of mind awareness without being annoying. There are certain strategies that work and others that do not work. Especially if you’re targeting individual hiring managers at a TV station, for example. So yeah, we do performance, we do the demo prep and we do marketing.
Louise Porter: Absolutely amazing.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, yeah, it’s fun and it helps so many people. and I never look at it as you. My mom, when I started doing this, she goes, aren’t you kind of educating your competition? Why are you doing that? That doesn’t make any sense. And I said, well, I had so many people reaching out, on a regular basis. How do I get into this or how do I get into that? And we put together, some programs that are available out there. Bill Deees, is now Voices.com’s number one rated coach in America. he’s, been, voted the number one coach in America by voices.comt and I said to him, this might be something that he could launch under his umbrella because he’s got such a large reach. I didn’t have that large reach, but I had people kind of reaching out and saying, hey, you know, this isn t How do I get into this? So we wanted to answer all these emails that were coming in and put a program together and we called it the TV Affiliate Boot Camp. And, we had, a lot of success stories. People went through it, and I never looked at it as, you know, this will be my competition one day. It was.
Louise Porter: This will be my undoing.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, it was. It’s really heartwarming when you can help somebody. see that this is another area of voiceover work perhaps that might have more stability to that student because there is a retainer. You do get paid every month for the period of a year. It’s direct deposit in your bank every month for the period of a year. So they say, okay, that’s kind of what I need. And some of these students, they’re not as fortunate as some of us and they’re going through a lot and they need, they need that and they need some stability. They’ve got several kids and they’re raising a family and, you know, it’s difficult. So it makes me feel good when I see the successes of the students that have been through the program.
Louise Porter: Yeah, that’s gotta be superward.
Brad Grochowski: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And I also feel, and maybe this is naive of me, but I don’t think it is. I really feel that the more you put out there to help other people, the more it comes back to you. Like if you sat in your little studio bidter and like, I’m not.
Louise Porter: ShAarong with anybodyge, Especially when people are.
Aaron Bradley: Reaching out to you, that’s for help.
Brad Grochowski: And, first of all, you have information that is valuable. So it’s perfectly reasonable to, to ask for compensation for that value. But at the same time you’re offering people help to get to where they dream of beingactly and that. I just believe that that comes back around also.
Louise Porter: I mean, you’re clearly very busy. Like, I mean it’s a much different situation if someone’s trying to build up these. Well, we all know the kind of scams that can be out there. But when you’re dealing with really busy. I don’t know what you’re talking about exactly. When you’re dealing.
Aaron, if anybody would like to coach with you, they can reach you online
Well, we talked about this on. I think this is the episode that I still haven’t edited. The first episode of season two which was all about coaching. And one of the things we touched on was Yeah, one of things we touch on was like make sure who you’re going to is somebody that’s reputable but also somebody who’s working in the niche or genre that you want to work in and that they’re busy successfully working in it actually. Yeah, exactly. So you’re making time to do that. I mean we all know reputable, voice over coaches are making a lot more in voiceover than they are on any coaching session.
Aaron Bradley: Absolutely. Ye all my coaching is at night.
Louise Porter: It’time. Yeah, of course are going to charge well for their time but at the same time, there’s so much value there. So that brings me to if anybody would like to coach with Aaron, they reach you at your website. Is that correct, Aaron?
Aaron Bradley: Yeah, there’s a coaching tab. Yeah, right. There’s a little coaching tab on the website. it’s just aaronvo.com coaching or you can just go to aaron vo.com and click coach.
Louise Porter: A O VO for anybody who’s a.
Brad Grochowski: A r o N A R O.
Aaron Bradley: N. Yes, like the bible.
The whole point of being on social media as a voice actor is to be heard
Louise Porter: And you were also you’on LinkedIn under your name Arion Bradley. And are there any other socials where folks can follow you or find you or find out more about you?
Aaron Bradley: No, I don’t really do a lot of the social, LinkedIn is how I connect with all the voice actors you know in the country and really around the world is just LinkedIn and then through the website and that’s how they reach.
Brad Grochowski: So you’re. Yeah, so you’re not pumping out three TikToks a day.
Aaron Bradley: I have friends algorithm. I have very well known voice actor friends that love to do that and I just, I don’t know how, I don’t know how they, they find the time but they do it and
Brad Grochowski: It’S a lot of work.
Aaron Bradley: They get enjoyment out of it and I just, I never really got into it.
Louise Porter: I would just like to highlight that you’ve said this because I always feel sort of bad that I’m I just don’t do anything on social media, really. Do the occasional thing on LinkedIn or like I’ll share a job that I’m really happy about. But mostly it’s pictures of like my dog and hiking and the occasional food picture. so I really like that when we hear stories about, you know, very successful working professionals, been in industry for a really long time and they’re not all over the associates. I mean they’re just not. So it’s okay, guys.
Aaron Bradley: and the whole point, and I only speak for myself t know, but the whole point of being on and social media, at least in my opinion for, well, not the whole point, but the majority reason you should be on social media as a voice actor is to be heard. You need to be posting work and demos and LinkedIn is the perfect platform for that. I mean if you’re looking to build a relationship by posting photos of your baby or your aquarium or whatever, for sure, I mean that’s one thing. But the goal is to be heard and seen. Heard and scene. You will not get hired unless you’re heard and unless you’re seen.
Louise Porter: I just wanna clarify. I’m not posting my hiking pictures on LinkedIn just to make that clear.
Brad Grochowski: I would be very sad if you stopped posting them them on Facebook.
Louise Porter: I just do Facebook. Instagram is like all my personals shit. And then LinkedIn I’do like the odd thing.
Aaron Bradley: Yeah. Post stuff on LinkedIn that is of your work that people can hear you. Yeah, that’s the main thing.
Brad Grochowski: Seen and heard. And also to grow yourself as a thought leader or somebody who has the information that demonstrates you’re a professional. Right.
Aaron Bradley: Y An expert in your field. Absolutely.
Brad Grochowski: Y that’s right.
Aaron: I had some misconceptions about promo that I appreciate cleAarong up
Louise Porter: All right, well, we’re kind of wrapping things up here. unless you have anything else there, Brad.
Brad Grochowski: I think that’s it. This wasing, this Aaron, this conversation was amazing. Thank youk. promo, is a, ah, genre that I’ve always thought was interesting but I elusive very little about. Yeah, yeah. And I think I had some misconceptions that I appreciate you cleAarong up.
Aaron Bradley: well, you made my day because we’re always in the booth and lonely and doing our little So this is human interaction which is a good thing. Right?
Louise Porter: I know, it’s fun. I always say to Brad, one of the reasons I procrastinate like editing and putting the podcast out is because I just get in my own head about it. But then anytime we kind of get together on the mic or have a guess Obviously, like you, I remember how much fun it is and how it really does connect us in a way that we don’t get to do that very often. So it’s super awesome. Thanks for taking the time. Pleasure.
We always have a different tagline we’re trying to find on podcast
Also, so you may remember from listening to the podcast whilst on your treadmill. On my treadmill, that we always have, like, a different tagline we’re trying to find. We’re trying to find the perfect one. Perf. And so we have one today, but we would like you, to say it. So I don’t know, actually. Brad, can you type it into the chat maybe? Yeah, let me do copy past.
Brad Grochowski: Well, if this isn’t against, like, if.
Aaron Bradley: Your agent’s not of you, there’s no NDA.
Louise Porter: There’s no NDA. Exactly.
Aaron Bradley: Brad is typing. I see it. Let’s see here.
Brad Grochowski: It’s very. It’s very easy.
Aaron Bradley: O. It just came through. Do you want this in a deeper sound or more of a natural?
Louise Porter: I would like all three dealers s choice.
Aaron Bradley: Oh, all three.
Brad Grochowski: Oh, you want ananeous.
Louise Porter: The true crime version.
Aaron Bradley: The true crime version.
Louise Porter: No, I’m just kidding. Whatever you want.
Aaron Bradley: Then it say it would sound. Because the inside voice can kind of sound a little true crimey there, you know?
Louise Porter: Should we say something first? like this?
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, yeah. Let’s close out the show and then we’ll let Aaron have the last word with the cand tagline for this week.
All right. All right, well, thanks, everybody, for joining us
Louise Porter: All right.
Brad Grochowski: Okay. All right, well, thanks, everybody, for joining us. This has been the inside podcast. Sorry, no, this has been the inside voice podcast. you can find out more about us@the inside_podcast.com and if you have any questions, comments, suggestions, I guess, complaints, you can reach out to us at connect@theinsidevoicepodcast.com. so thank you very much. I’m Brad.
Louise Porter: I’m Louise.
Aaron Bradley: And I’m Ann. And we’re signing off. Right? Yep.
Inside Voice gives everyone a gold star for human interaction this week
How about we do with this special line here that Brad prepared ever so nicely? We say the inside voice_dc where introverts are happy to be heard.
Louise Porter: I love it. Beautiful. Aw. O.
Aaron Bradley: That’s so fun.
Brad Grochowski: A plusus.
Aaron Bradley: That is our. A star. Our gold star for human interaction for the week. Right?
Louise Porter: Exactly. Everybody gets a gold star. Gold star, Gold star. Yay.
Aaron Bradley: That’s.
Louise Porter: Aw. Thanks, Earon.
Aaron Bradley: I love the mustache, man. I’m looking at that. I’m thinking, man, that is the coolest thing, though. The look of the actor.
Brad Grochowski: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of an era, I guess.
Louise Porter: Thanks for joining us on this week’s episode of Inside Voice. If you have a topic suggestion, a question, or would like to challenge your introverted self by being a guest on the podcast, email us at connect@theinsidevoiceodcast.com.